Boxer Talk

I think it is very clear that all the above love their boxers very much! I have a flashy brindle boy who is like a ray of sunshine in my life, I researched the breed for about 2 years b4 deciding if this breed was right for my family! He is a 5 gen pedigree lovely markings stands 25inch temp perfect!! But I wouldn’t dream of studding him as there is so much to consider b4 u even start regardless of colour as stated in the previous posts. I love white boxers too they are so sweet as pups and look just as sweet as adults, A good breeder will not breed from any colour boxer that has a poor temp, heart score or any other health problems. As it is believed that white boxers may carry defect traits they don’t risk it, they’re not hating their putting the happiness of the pups and would be owners first. There is nothing worse than the heart ache cause by a sick pup!!! I think there are too many boxers already in need of a good home why add to that!

Just a note to everyone. White boxers are more prone to cancer. this is not just any type of cancer and it is not only white boxers but any dog that is mostly white. It's because they can burn easier and, like humans, this can cause skin cancer.
thought i would clarify for you all

Hello everyone,One is a female and one is a male. Both are beautiful fawn and white with great shape and wonderful personalities. My female will be 1yr old in March and she is just coming out of heat for the first time. She should go back in around October. Being that my male is fixed (He's almost 5yrs old and considering the health problems they are prone to, my vet recommended getting him fixed.) My cousin has an all white male boxer around the same age as my female and we were wanting to breed them. They are both beautiful dogs with wonderful tempermants and we know they would have just as beautiful puppies.

First off any boxer can have health problems. For example I had one with epilepsy who died at 2 and was on medication. He also had other health problems. He was brindle and no papers. Now I have 2 other brindle boxer never had health problems at all and no papers. And one that has papers and has stomach problems. So a dog with papers makes no diffrence to me. Its just a way to make more money. And no one should breed a dog unless they know what they are doing. And I was told by my vet if the dog does have health problems dont breed them because most problems are genetic. I also know a vet nurse who has told me some real horror stories about what people will do to make there show dog perfect. That is wrong. Give your dog a loving home without hafting to alter them. And also In my area finding a home for a white puppy is easier then finding a home for a fawn puppy. Brindle and white seem to be the most popular here and surrounding states. But most people that have the boxers that I seen just want them as an extra family member and not to make money off of them. If I had puppys I would be happier if someone that wasnt going to show them as a show dog got them. They would be able to be there hyper selfs and not always hafting to look or act a certain way. I love all my dogs with or without health problems. I would also eventually love to get a white boxer. Its just hard in my area and surrounding states because they are usually reserved before I can get one.

wonderingstar8 wrote

i have a very awesome white boxer she is not deaf or blind and i want to breed her but i have had so many people tell me not too why is that

Because white Boxers are not supposed to be breeded

Last edit by Paul on Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:41 pm.

I really need to train these small boxers that I already have at my place. I got this as a gift from my sister. Now these small kiddos don't have their mom with them, I was planning to put them somewhere, where they could get appropriate training to grow up, for about couple of weeks. I guess that much time would be enough for Puppy Potty Training won't it??, information on this topic needed.
regards,
Gwen.

Sorry it's taken an age to reply to you Gwen. I'm sure it's too late to matter.

It would depend on where you live what services might be available to you. A couple of weeks? Well it might be possible in that time but it was never that quick for me personally.

Sorry again it's taken so long to respond.

Wow, just wow. I'm amazed at how many people call breeding white boxers "unethical" because they may be "defected". I hope you aren't parents. Is aborting "defective" humans ethical? My white boxer is perfectly healthy and pregnant. I'll agree that it does take a special person to handle raising any living thing that has disabilities. But these pups that have hearing/sight problems hardly realize they have a disability. When one sense is lost, the others are elevated... this makes training a deaf/blind puppy just as easy or complicated as the owner wants to make it. It takes knowledge and patience. Breeders need to be aware of who they sell pups to as well as buyers need to be aware of the breed they are purchasing. You wouldn't want to adopt a child to a couple on drugs or won't work, why would you let your pups go to someone who couldn't take care of them?

I cant believe some of the posts I have read on here! Comparing the breeding of white boxers to human terminations, are you for real? I have 2 beautiful white boxers and I love them to distraction, however they have both been neutered because I do not want to risk passing any genetic problems onto any puppies. If you love your dogs and dogs in general dont be so selfish to put innocent puppies at risk. Yes deaf dogs can make fantastic companions / pets, but how many deaf dogs are in kennels waiting on new homes? You want to add to that number?

Rhea wrote

Wow, just wow. I'm amazed at how many people call breeding white boxers "unethical" because they may be "defected". I hope you aren't parents. Is aborting "defective" humans ethical? My white boxer is perfectly healthy and pregnant. I'll agree that it does take a special person to handle raising any living thing that has disabilities. But these pups that have hearing/sight problems hardly realize they have a disability. When one sense is lost, the others are elevated... this makes training a deaf/blind puppy just as easy or complicated as the owner wants to make it. It takes knowledge and patience. Breeders need to be aware of who they sell pups to as well as buyers need to be aware of the breed they are purchasing. You wouldn't want to adopt a child to a couple on drugs or won't work, why would you let your pups go to someone who couldn't take care of them?

I couldnt agree more. I have a white, deaf boxer that was born of a top 5 AKC male who was going to be "culled" - for those of whom that are unaware that is a polite way of saying 'selectively slaughtered' because he was a scar of Champion Daddy's record. However, I am eternally grateful for this terrible old fashion breeder who felt this way and the kind one who knew them and made it their mission to find him a home. I am more grateful that I passed all her screening tests and criteria and was able to become the mom of this great dog. It has been exactly what I wanted it to be, the learning expirience of having a special needs dog both for myself and my children. I wanted them to learn that not everyone, nor every pet is the same and that to create a life for those you have to be the one to learn and grow.

I dispise that there is so much inaccurate info about White Boxers. When you have one, if you're a good pet owner, you take your brand new puppy to the ver immediately and your vet will inform you that you need to put sunblock on your white boxer if you are going to be in the sun for long periods or don't keep them out there, have shade for them.
they are not more prone to illness. Blindness being common is also not true. Deafness is not a defect. People have cancer we fight to save them. People are deaf, we create solutions; Blind we train dogs to assist them. Blind dogs, deaf dogs = trash? Makes no sense. At all.
I will admit though, people do feel the same about humans. I have lost 5 pregnancies in a row and many people have said to me that maybe I should stop because I wouldn't want to have a child with "something wrong with it". "Wrong" is in the eye of the beholder.
I would LOVE to breed my white boxer, I do not care who thinks it's unethical. IT is not for money, nor for more white dogs. It is because we all love our dog and have been quality, caring, supportive family to a special needs animal, even informed our community that he is deaf and how to use the hand signals with him. The vet even remarks about what a good bloodline he is from based on his high quality health, his build, and his personality.

I don't think it matters whether you breed white boxers or not. White boxers are more prone to have health issues that are passed down to their pups. That does not mean that they will have health issues. Also white boxers are not supposed to be registered, at least with the AKC. Boxer's standards are that they can not have white that covers more than 1/3 of their body. So if your white boxers are registered, they are not supposed to be and their pups can not be. White boxers are beautiful, but the fact is they are a defect and if bred and registered they slowly take away from the breed as generations pass. They take away from the breeds health and coloring.

I agree to you I think there is no harm in having white boxers as your pet. I already have two pets at my place so can't right now think of having the third one but if I will get a chance I'll do that

Jess2011 wrote

I don't think it matters whether you breed white boxers or not. White boxers are more prone to have health issues that are passed down to their pups. That does not mean that they will have health issues. Also white boxers are not supposed to be registered, at least with the AKC. Boxer's standards are that they can not have white that covers more than 1/3 of their body. So if your white boxers are registered, they are not supposed to be and their pups can not be. White boxers are beautiful, but the fact is they are a defect and if bred and registered they slowly take away from the breed as generations pass. They take away from the breeds health and coloring.

I'm sorry. I know your comments were meant to sound positive, but all I read was that white colouring is a defect...which, it most certainly is not, any more than blonde hair, which also exists in twenty per cent of the population of humans, or blue eyes, or any other less prominant feature in any species. Having done considerable research since getting my Tofu a few weeks ago, I have found that while there are health concerns associated with colouring, there are other concerns associated with other colouring. Whether they are "registereable" or not, their tempreament, disposition, and overall cuteness is no different from any other boxer. My baby is the most beautiful boxer I've ever seen, with a brindle patch on his head and polka dots on his ears and belly. he is smart, strong, amazing with my young children, and in no way defective. He plays well with others, both human and canine. I have recently begun considering breeding him when he's ready for all of these reasons, and know that his offspring will make any family great pets, loyal companions and phenomenal family members, whether they can be "shown" or not.

Last edit by Paul on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:23 pm.

How about NOT being a backyard breeder. How's that for a good reason? Do you have blood tests etc. Are you a professional breeder? If you love the breed do it properly...Which takes years of experience. Think of the domino affect it will have on the many dogs who will be related down the road, whether it be by their genes or homeless.
There are so many animals that need homes. Go to your local shelter and look at those faces, many will be put down because of backyard breeding. 25% of Boxers are white...who by their breeders are considered undesireable because they don't meet the criteria for AKC. Plenty need homes ....Please don't add to the problem.....just sayin'

to clarify..wasn't saying I think white boxers are a problem..I think they are damn adorable...Don't understand why AKC won't recognize them. Just saying overpopulation and improper breeding is the problem

There is no proof that white boxers are more likely to get a disease or defect compared to colored boxers. So people stop making stuff up. I've had many boxers all my life and the colored ones are the ones that get sick more then the white ones. 2 fawn boxers have died of heart defects , and the white ones I have are still alive.

Doesnt matter Colored or white , all boxers are born the same. The hair color is the least of my worries. Just by being a boxer is fine with me.

So go ahead and breed them if you like. Sign me up for one if you decide to have puppies. I'll be the first one to take the white one!!

I have a 2year old white boxer who is in excellent health.

It is so frustrating what everyone writes about the white boxer.I have 4 boxers,2 whites and 1 brindle and 1 red i also lost a 3 year old white female to ARVC which is nothing to do with her colour atall.I also have 2 living at present with ARVC it is nothing to do with colour whatsoever it is to do with the breeding sadly.I have a 7 year old male who was diagnosed when he was 2 and a half and he is on lots of medication but still happy and i now have my 2 year old who was diagnosed just after the age of 1.The girl i lost and my 7 year old were both from the same breeder and my 2 year old,although not the same breeder the lines cross over....... Very sad ,but NOTHING to do with being white and ,i would be far less concerned about a white boxer than you all appear to be.None of mine have ever been blind or deaf either. I have a 5 month old white female who,is so intelligant ,who has no issues atall. Actually in Germany now.they are allowing the White Boxer in to be shown and, to breed from!!!!!!! The original boxers were ofcourse WHITE and the only reason they bread away from them being white was nothing to do with HEALTH atall but because they were being used by police etc and they needed them to be dark and not pure white.... MAN messes with breeds far too much which is why,they have all these problems,its nothing to do with their colour.....

I have a male flashy brindle and a female flashy fawn. The male is almost 2 years old and the female is not quite 1. We plan to breed them together, eventually, and I decided to do a lot of research, obviously, prior to the dogs breeding to find out about the colourings and what kinds of issues are raised when breeding occurs.

After reading all of this, and discussing it immensely with my vet, I have heard of separate issues with whites, but like most have said due to the colouring they are more likely to get skin cancer from excessive direct sunlight.

My male, when he was 1 1/2, we found a tumor on his right front leg, called a "disseminated mastocytoma". In most cases, they are benign, but in a few rare cases, can be malignant. This is for ALL boxers. This is not a rarity, it's very common in the breed in general, not colour specific.
In my beautiful baby's case, thankfully it was benign and I had it removed. He has a small scar, but nothing noticable unless pointed out.

When all this was happening, I was terrified. I asked my vet what I can do to prevent this, she told me there's nothing I can do, unfortunately this is something that is quite common in the breed and the only way to ensure that it doesn't become something serious is to catch them in time. Like I did.

When I decided I wanted to breed, I have done it before for those of you willing to toss in your opinion of this "backyard breeding" (I also don't agree with) it's not what I'm doing, and I asked specifically about the whites because of reading things like this, she told me that they are no more prone to these types of scenarios then a standard brindle or fawn breed. But, like someone else here mentioned, to watch for the sunlight. She said that there have been scenarios where people have complained that the dogs are more prone to deaf and blindness, but she said she's seen her fair share of brindles and fawns that are blind or deaf more than the whites in the 15 years she's been a vet.

So, I'm really not 100% sure who is correct on anything here, but like most of you have already written, breeding can't be a "backyard fun" sort of thing. We need to ensure that when the dogs are breeding, you're already putting it out there that you are going to have boxer puppies. If you have it put out there that you're doing this, the chances of someone that is in love with the whites will come forward prior to the puppies being born stating they want the white if there is one in the litter.

Sure, a lot of people buy them for showmanship, but here, in Canada (not sure where you are all from) we aren't big in the showing scene, we love this breed for their mentality. Being a 65lb lap dog, for being such a fantastic family dog, loves children, loves other dogs, loves cats, but is also territorial and likes to patrol like mine does. When you want a family dog but a dog that is a good warning/guard, this is the breed for you. They have an amazing temp. but can be very vocal if they are concerned of someone near the home. I wouldn't have my boy and my girl any other way. I have a jack russell terrier as well, and I tell you, she's worse than the 2 of them combined...you want to talk a dog that shouldn't breed? ha ha ha...just kidding she's such a treat too, and definitely the boss.

Anyways, all I was getting at (I'm a gemini...the storyteller!!!) was that when someone states they want to do something and you have an entire board attacking them on all the reasons they shouldn't do it (i.e. backyard breeder) that's definitely not the right way to do it. IF you know what you're doing, do it. IF you have a list of those that want to purchase, do it. IF you have done the proper checks with your vet to ensure that no puppies have a chance of any kind of heart defects, etc. do it. Tehse things cost a lot of money. If you are any kind of proper breeder, you'll do it the right way. Take the puppies after they are born to have their first shots, have their tails cropped, ensure that they are socialized, bring people to meet them, introduce to other dogs and children, regular vet visits with the mother prior to the puppies being born, etc. etc. etc. it's not a cookie cutter operation, there are a lot of things involved. If you aren't willing to do all of these things, why risk taking the chance that your dog could die during birth? Yeah, having puppies is great, they are adorable, but what happens if she has complications? Do you have a vet on speed dial at all hours of the night becuase you KNOW she'll give birth at 3am.

If you want to breed, breed. But make sure you know what you're doing first. Do the research, work hard, and make sure you have buyers lined up BEFORE the puppies are born. IF you have more buyers than puppies, promise them first dibs on the next litter. Refer them to another breeder that you know just had a litter.

Sorry for the novel...I read all of these posts and was quite shocked by the way people spoke to each other when you don't know each other. It's a forum people, it's for helping one another. I dont' know anything about white boxers but what I learned from my vet prior to in case my girl does have a white.

Anyways...look forward to more feedback

I have a white boy wit too brown ears never been mated

IF YOU CAN RESEARCH THE BLOOD LINE TO FIND OUT IF DEAFNESS IS IN THE FAMILY SO TO SPEAK,ITS POSSIBLE TO MINIMISE RISK BUT ITS THE GENE ITSELF THAT CAUSES WHITE-AND DEAF- WHY RISK PUTING DOGS THRU A LIFE OF SILENCE WHEN YOU DONT HAV TO, BREED A COLOUR WITH AS MUCH WHITE AS YOU CAN FIND, MATE TO MATCH WOULD THROW SUM FAB MARKINGS, BUT SAYING DONT DO IT-WRONG WHEN DALMATIONS ARE AS PRONE- A FAMILY MEMBER BBRED A FULL HEALTHY LITTER 13 DALS, DID EVERYTHING RIGHT AND BEST CARE GIVEN, 13 CAME BACK WITHIN 20 WKS OF AGE-ALL DEAF ALL 13, NOTHING WE FOUND IN FAM HISTORY TO SHOW SAME HAD HAPPENED AND WAS BRED OFFA CRUFTS WINNER, WHY BREED AT ALL THO, ADOPT AND SAVE LIVES, IM FOSTER MUMMY FOR BOXERS- MY GIRL AT THE MINN-HAS FITS,BAD BOWELS, BUT SHES FAB,LUV HER LOTS, SHES BEEN BRED TO HILT- SHEL BE LOVED TILL LAST BREATH NOW- JUST FOR BREEDING, CUTE PUPPIES EH N CASH. TUT TUT

BOXER BITCH I HAD WAS BORN WITH NO TOES ON ONE FOOT AND THE NICE BREEDER "BITCH" SEWN HER SKIN UP HERSELF SO NOTPAYING FOR VET GGGggggRRRRR

OMG I almost can't believe half of what I'm reading here. Why don't you breed cousin sweat gland missing Larry with toothless Grandma Myrtle? Are you people really this stupid? Christ...It's no wonder buckets and buckets of dogs are euthanized each year and turned into galvanized dog food. WTH? I am appalled with the stupidity. You should have to get an education first before buying/adopting an animal. Shaking my head.

If you are hell bent on carrying on the boxer breed and want to do it responsibly...join an AKC show club and LEARN what the hell you're doing. There is NO better way to learn. And don't breed a thing till you do. Someone mentioned above, for instance...socializing the dog after one set of shots. NOT. That is just ONE ITEM. Good way for your pup to die of Parvo. OMG people. Lack of education makes ANIMALS SUFFER. Is that what you really want? A bit selfish, wouldn't you say? And how about that property tax bill or your kid's college tuition. Why not make THE DOG pay it. Sigh. Dumb and Dumber.

I have a absolutely beautiful white male with one brown spot on his left ear he is 70lbs 3 year old let me tell u a story and u tell me how SUPOSEDLY SICKLY these fantastic dogs are about a year ago he was on his chain minding his own business and a pit came in my back yard and attacked him on his chain took him to the vet he had five puss pockets in his neck had five tubes running out of his neck 60 stitches running down his left shoulder a tooth broke off at the jaw bone stitches on the bottom of one of his paws vet said he was lucky to still be alive in this prosess we also found out he had adult heart worms and baby heart worms so after he got well enough from the pit attack he went thru a 6 week heart worm treatment and he is still just as strong well behaved great awesome dog he is back out side on a chain and happy as he can be non aggressive and now I have a six month old flashy fawn female and just as soon as she gets old enough him and her will produce great healthy beautiful puppy's its stupid that ppl say the bad things about white boxers they are awesome in my eyes really I think ppl need to consontrate on the fact that pit are killing our kids and our dogs but there more worried about us breeding our white boxers sorry if I affended anyone

Last edit by MrsBeaver1974 on Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:09 pm.